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Hope not pray for His return

Kind of an addendum to the previous post - never give up Hope that the Lord will return in His Father's time - I just think that praying for something that was determined since the beggining of time is not where our Lord wants us to put our energy.

We need to trust

Regardless of our position in today's economy, we need to trust in our Lord - He will provide. He is not going to necessarily tell you how, but He is with you constantly - through the good and the bad. Trust in Him means that you have put Him into the center of your life - where He should be.

Post Tribulation vs Pre Tribulation

I tend to agree with Richards's comments - we are the salt of the earth and we are Christ's body - if we were raptured to early, how would Christ and God be able to use us to expand the harvest. Just thoughts.


The Rapture Question Answered

The Pre Tribulation Rapture vs. Post Tribulation Rapture is primarily a question over when the Church will be gathered to meet the Lord in the air.

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up [raptured] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

Both the Pre Tribulation and the Post Tribulation groups agree on much of the prophetic picture as presented in Scripture. For example, both groups agree about the following sequence of prophetic events:

  1. There will be a Fourth Beast Kingdom, Daniel 7:23

  2. The Antichrist will rise to power out of that kingdom, Daniel 7:24-25

  3. The Antichrist will confirm a covenant with many (Israel), Daniel 9:27

  4. After 3 ½ years the Antichrist will cause temple worship to cease and he  will set himself up in the temple of God declaring that he is God, Daniel 9:27 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4

  5. Then there will be Great Tribulation for 3 ½ years, Daniel 7:25, 12:1 and Matt. 24:21

  6. After the Great Tribulation Christ will return and gather the elect from earth and heaven, Matthew 24:29-31

  7. Then Christ’s reign on earth will begin, Revelation 11:15, and last for 1,000 years, Revelation 20:6

Both groups, also agree that here is a rapture of believers, those left alive at the return of Christ.

However, the Pre Tribulation group believes that this rapture of the living believers will occur before the Tribulation, or Pre Tribulation

The Post Tribulation group, on the other hand, believes that the rapture of the living believers will occur immediately after the Tribulation, or Post Tribulation.

Both groups also use the same Bible passages, below, to support their position.

The # 1 Rapture Passage:

Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17).

The # 1 Rapture Passage beautifully describes the resurrection of the dead and the rapture (catching up) of those left alive at the return of Christ. However, since there is no mention of the Tribulation or the Antichrist in the text it is impossible, by this passage alone, to determine when this resurrection and rapture takes place. This passage appears to provide no support for either belief.

However, when compared with other Scripture there is support for the Post Tribulation belief. Notice in the passage that Jesus comes down from heaven. He has left heaven. Now read Acts 3:21.

He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets (Acts 3:21).

The Word of God says that Jesus must remain in heaven until it is time to restore everything. All bible students are certain that God does not restore everything before the Tribulation. Therefore, the # 1 Rapture Passage is describing a Post Tribulation rapture since it will be after the Tribulation when everything is restored.

Now, let's see what the # 2 Rapture Passage says.

The # 2 Rapture Passage:

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory" (1 Corinthians 15:51-54)

Once again the passage itself does not identify when the resurrection and rapture will take place. Again, there appears to be no support for either the Pre-Trib or Post-Trib position. However, when compared with other Scripture we find there is support for the Post Tribulation position. Notice in the passage that the dead will be raised imperishable, and we (the living) will be changed at the last trumpet. The last trumpet in Scripture is referred to two times in Revelation.

But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets (Revelation 10:7)

The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever"(Revelation 11:15).

Therefore, the # 2 Rapture Passage also supports a Post Tribulation Resurrection and rapture.  Because, at the seventh and last trumpet the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of Christ, forever. Everyone agrees, that the Kingdom of Christ on earth comes after the Tribulation.

Now, let's see what the # 3 Rapture Passage says.

The # 3 Rapture Passage:

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am (John 14:1-3).

Jesus is still here on earth with the disciples when He makes this statement. He says that He is going to the Father in heaven and if He goes He will come back. Therefore, when He has come back he will have left heaven and returned to earth. Then He says He will take us to be with Him. The Greek word which is translated into “take” is paralambano. Paralambano means to receive unto oneself in a personal way.

Therefore, in this passage Jesus is saying that He is going from earth to heaven and when He comes back from heaven to earth, He will receive or gather us to Himself. Therefore, the # 3 Rapture Passage also supports the Post Tribulation Rapture position because we, the Church, is received when Christ comes back to earth and establishes His Kingdom which is after the Tribulation.

Letting Scripture interpret Scripture, we find that Scripture always supports a Post Tribulation resurrection and rapture of the Church, just as Jesus said.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days … They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds [earth], from one end of the heavens [heaven] to the other (Matthew 24:29-31).

Richard Perry

When will this craziness end?

When our Lord, Jesus Christ, returns and no sooner - we can, and will not, have a peaceful world until God sends His Son back. Why is He waiting despite the pain and suffering of His people? Not even Christ knows the hour. And since God works outside our time, our calendar, beware of false prophets that tell you this day or the next. Our world is in turmoil. Many agree we are in the time of tribulation. But we can't know for sure - only that there are wars and rumors of wars. That the Church is being persecuted to no end - even in our own country - a country established by Christians. I woudn't pray for the end - God knows what he is doing - to tell Him you want to see Christ come back is not a bad thing, maybe just selfish - I know I have been in circumstances that I want Him to come back - but I know it's our Father's business and those things should be left to Him. Pray that the harvest is expanded, lift Christ up, pray for the missionaries, pray for your enemies, pray for your and your familes protection - there are a lot of other things to pray for besides our Saviour's return. God Bless You.

Count your friends as blessings

The enemy doesn't want you to make new friends, stay married, parent your children in Godly ways, etc. He has ripped apart my friendships in Austin. I have a few remaining friends and I count each of them as blessings. I count my parents and my kids as friends. Friends are people you can count on. Friends come to you aid when you are hurting. But I am also assured I have a lot of friends and support through the Holy Spirit. That is such a good feeling. If I alienate someone by my efforts for Christ, I don't disown them, I just don't count on them. There is a difference.

No more recording for now

I mentioned this on my home page as well - I just feel that any visitor can really get a full understanding of what I've been doing over the last 6 or so years. I am pleased with most of the music on this site and put my heart into it. I will begin, once again, to post my thoughts here. I just didn't feel that facebook was working out for none family things - maybe I'm wrong, but when I mentioned I wasn't going to post my Christian thoughts or any Bible verses anymore, it didn't seem as though my facebook "friends - some good friends and others were from another time in my life" complained too much. So I am trying to sell my studio to serve my starving artist lifestyle. I will still try and play at the Austin House of Prayer each week and find one or two more gigs. Blessings.

Being out of synch

Works won't necessarily fill the whole. What works for me is devotion and worship. And also, I can feel the prayers of others that think I'm on the right track. I try to listen and respond in the ways the Father wants. I try to concentrate on the fact that nothing I experience comes close to the cup Christ drank from. For some reason, this empowers me. Makes me want to work harder for the Kingdom. To know your Savior and King went through what He went through for you (and He would have done it for just you) is not only humbling but puts everything in perspective.

Anxiety and depression

My meds do a good job of keeping my from strasophere maniac episodes. These can be dangerous when you live by yourself. From experience, perspective's can be warped though a lot of the thoughts you have are real and thankfully I have never been violent, it still is very damaging to the brain and is very hard of love ones. I am thankful that in the 16 plus years I've been bipolar, I have only had two true manic episodes. I am also thankful to my Father in Heaven and Jesus for keeping me out of insanity the second time around. Depression and anxiety are a different story. I have one or the other most of the time, and some times both. Where I used to rate my feelings from 0 to 10, now it's -5 to 5. I feel blessed that I am not prone to violent thoughts or that I would ever hurt anyone unless I was protecting my kids or myself. I think that God has me covered. My relationship with Him only deepens and I share in His sufferings. Many Christians don't understand this - much of the angst we go through is just sharing in the sufferings of God and Christ and the Holy Spirit. I am thankful that they are shaping my heart for bigger and better things. These thoughts, if I concentrate on them, make the suffering a lot more bareable. 

What's hard about being bipolar?

Where would I even start? Probably not knowing one hour to the next how I'm going to feel, being on meds that make you gain weight - I have gained 125 lbs since being on Zyprexa - not really wanting to be around people, feeling tired all the time, not being interested in doing things, having to force yourself to take care of basic things - I have adjusted to it and a lot of my current symptoms have gotten a lot worse since my divorce - It's going to make Heaven seem so much better - that's probably the only beneficial side effect of my disorder - my love for my Father in Heaven and His risen Son has really increased - I feel Their presence a lot of the time. I pray a lot more. I really feel a connection to Them - I wouldn't give that up for the world.

The Ups and Downs

I know that everyone has good days and bad days. Imagine the good days being like your bad days and your bad days being 100 times worse - that's the life of someone with a mental disorder. Sure, the medication helps with keeping me out of full mania, but it doesn't lead to happiness - there is not really a happiness pill - and to say happiness comes from within - talk to anybody with depression or bi-polar disorder - you can't make yourself happy - you work hard to stay busy because that keeps your mind off of how bad you feel. I've said it before, I wouldn't change places with anyone. I am the way God made me - yes, there are things I would have done differently, but don't we all. I think the hardest part of my problems is the social anxiety - I can't get on airplanes - at this point I wouldn't even fit in a seat - I can't go to my kids games, etc. - I do my best - I know that the good Lord knows this - I just look forward to Christ coming back - I know a lot of people do.
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